Is Pleasure What Life Is For?
If every animal seeks pleasure from birth, is a life free of pain the whole of what we want? Cicero lets the Epicurean case be made at full strength, then asks whether its best followers live by it.
Torquatus argues that pleasure, above all the settled calm of being free from pain, is the end everything else serves, and that the virtues and friendship earn their place by securing it. Cicero's reply turns the school against its own examples: Torquatus's ancestors acted for honour, not pleasure; Epicurus called his agonised last day happy and left money for birthday feasts after teaching that death is nothing to us. Many Epicureans, Cicero grants, are faithful friends who live by duty, which he takes as evidence that honour outweighs pleasure.
- pleasure
- pain
- happiness
- friendship
- ethics
Enter a dialogue
- Dying in agony, Epicurus called it a happy day, the pain balanced by remembering his ideas. Can that hold if pain is the worst evil?
- Your Epicurean Torquatus descends from a hero who tore a chain from a beaten enemy and had his own son executed. Were both acts done for pleasure?
- The Stoic Cleanthes painted Pleasure on a throne, with the virtues as maids whispering only 'be careful'. Why does that picture embarrass the Epicureans so?
- Epicurus taught that death is nothing to us, yet his will orders yearly feasts for his birthday. Why does that trouble you more than it charms you?
- Thorius of Lanuvium enjoyed every refined pleasure in perfect health, feared nothing, and died fighting for the republic. What, on your view, was his life still missing?