Praying Without Knowing
To ask the gods for what you cannot judge to be good is worse than not praying at all, since a man may pray his own way into ruin.
Caught heading to an offering, Alcibiades is warned off: without the wisdom to know what is genuinely good, keep your requests few and plain, as the Spartans do. The core thought — that ignorance makes even piety dangerous — is a real Socratic one, but the thin arguments and flat style have persuaded nearly all scholars that a later imitator wrote it, generations after Plato's death. It survives in the corpus mainly as evidence of how Plato went on being imitated once he was gone.
- ethics
- wisdom
- logic
- prayer
- piety
- madness
- expertise
- ignorance
- knowledge
- good and evil
- desire
- political philosophy
Enter a dialogue
- Someone is on his way to ask the gods for wealth and victory. What warning would you give before he prays?
- You commend the Spartans for keeping their requests few and plain. Does such caution not drain prayer of hope?
- One poet prays: “Zeus, grant us good whether we ask or not, and keep away what we ask amiss.” Why does your Socrates call that wise?
- Oedipus prayed that his sons divide their inheritance by the sword, and it happened. Can even sensible people pray this blindly?
- Athens sacrificed far more than Sparta yet lost every battle, and asked an oracle why. What did the answer say the gods weigh instead of gifts?